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Houndman boot boy Offline Balgarret Beagles, Ballymacad Foxhounds Posts: 79 Westmeath Ireland dog or bitch:	Pink coats Mar 08^th, 2010, 5:08pm This is just a general knowledge inquiry why are masters in some hunts called pink coats? when they mostly wear red is there a reason or is it just slang
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Followhounds Master Offline Bollocks to Brown Posts: 4696 Lapland dog or bitch:	Re: Pink coats Reply #1 - Mar 8^th, 2010, 6:07pm This alledgedly goes back to a tailor called "Pinque", who possibly made hunt coats. There is a correct way of describing the colour of hunt coats, that I shall not go in to.
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Re: Pink coats
Reply #2 - Mar 8^th, 2010, 6:26pm

Followhounds wrote on Mar 8^th, 2010, 6:07pm:

This alledgedly goes back to a tailor called "Pinque", who possibly made hunt coats.

There is a correct way of describing the colour of hunt coats, that I shall not go in to. Roll Eyes

Coward. But I share the fear.

They are red or scarlet. There is a venomous school of pedantry that decrees that the word "coat" must always be connected to one of these colours but not the other one.

But not "jacket". And not pink.

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the terrier boot boy Offline Let em hunt!!!! Posts: 126 south dog or bitch:	Re: Pink coats Reply #3 - Mar 8^th, 2010, 7:21pm I asked the same question to an old master of foxhounds some 30 years ago. He said...Pink is what you call Gin and Red is what you call a hunt coat. Was he right? was he wrong? all I know is I always call hunt coats ....Red. hope that helps?
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Herne whipper-in Offline I haven't bothered to change my profile Posts: 913	Re: Pink coats Reply #4 - Mar 9^th, 2010, 1:20am There's a thread about this somewhere...
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Strix whipper-in Offline Missing the pack Posts: 824 Sheffield dog or bitch:	Re: Pink coats Reply #5 - Mar 9^th, 2010, 3:34am the search facility here is a bit clunky, but I'm guessing it'll be buried in the 13 pages of this thread somewhere: http://www.hunting-directory.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1187127830/0
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Seamus Foxhunter boot boy Offline Ragged Arse Warwickshire Posts: 40 Warwickshire dog or bitch:	Re: Pink coats Reply #6 - Mar 9^th, 2010, 7:41am I was told earlier this season, that when packs of hounds were privately owned by the gentry, the huntsman wore the family's livery, then when packs were formed by commoners, who didn't have their own livery, they started wearing red coats made by Pinks the taylors in London.
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Herne whipper-in Offline I haven't bothered to change my profile Posts: 913	Re: Pink coats Reply #7 - Mar 9^th, 2010, 4:35pm Strix wrote on Mar 9^th, 2010, 3:34am: the search facility here is a bit clunky, but I'm guessing it'll be buried in the 13 pages of this thread somewhere: http://www.hunting-directory.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1187127830/0 Yep, that's the one. Most of the meat of the BS on this particular topic comes in the last few pages...
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Houndman boot boy Offline Balgarret Beagles, Ballymacad Foxhounds Posts: 79 Westmeath Ireland dog or bitch:	Re: Pink coats Reply #8 - Mar 9^th, 2010, 5:01pm Sorry but i joined recently and didnt see it thanks to all who answered
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shot_fox kennel-huntsman Offline Semper inebriate Posts: 1482 Lincolnshire dog or bitch:	Re: Pink coats Reply #9 - Mar 12^th, 2010, 9:16am "....red coats made by Pinks the taylors in London." Of whom there is no evidence whatsover. See link to BS above
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Re: Pink coats
Reply #10 - Mar 12^th, 2010, 11:38am

If you can find the other thread there is quite a bit of detail The thread linked above is not the main one, which includes "Pink" in the title. I also came across someone has done some quite extensive research into London tailors, dressmakers and so on in the 18th and 19th Century and can find no reference to a tailor called "Pink".

The term "Pink" was a slang term used to refer to an 18th Century dandy and there is also reference however to a ficticious tailor "Pink" in an 18th Century play which is where the legend is reckoned to originate.

The current "Thomas Pink" chain of mens fashion outlets is unrelated and began only at the latter part of the 20th Century.

There are plenty of other slang terms used in hunting and country sports. "Charlie" referring to the fox is from Charles James Fox, a Whig statesman made notorious for his support of the French Revolution.

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Herne whipper-in Offline I haven't bothered to change my profile Posts: 913	Re: Pink coats Reply #11 - Mar 13^th, 2010, 9:23am shot_fox wrote on Mar 12^th, 2010, 9:16am: "....Of whom there is no evidence whatsover.... See link to BS above Occam's Razor to you, matey...
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Re: Pink coats
Reply #12 - May 24^th, 2010, 6:45pm

Seamus Foxhunter wrote on Mar 9^th, 2010, 7:41am:

I was told earlier this season, that when packs of hounds were privately owned by the gentry, the huntsman wore the family's livery, then when packs were formed by commoners, who didn't have their own livery, they started wearing red coats made by Pinks the taylors in London.

I thought that they went hunting in their warmest coat which was often their old army coat.
If we had invented hunting now we would all be in desert camoflage Grin

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Flashy kennel-huntsman Offline They can ban hunting, but they can't ban me... Posts: 1455 over the hill dog or bitch:	Re: Pink coats Reply #13 - May 24^th, 2010, 8:29pm camouflage even we're not over that side of the pond yet.
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Grommet boot boy Offline Posts: 60 Warrington dog or bitch:	Re: Pink coats Reply #14 - May 25^th, 2010, 9:34am Flashy wrote on May 24^th, 2010, 8:29pm: camouflage even we're not over that side of the pond yet. Ha Ha, i have some tallents but speeling is not one of them. usually i write my posts in word, spell check and copy and past.
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